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>MSBuild was originally designed as a file format for Visual Studio solution and project files, generally intended to be managed by a GUI.

>MSBuild was originally designed as a file format for Visual Studio solution and project files, generally intended to be managed by a GUI. This is its biggest failure. Like, if you use wildcards in a reference inside of MSBuild, Visual Studio (which just parses and loads MSBuild, not saving the semantics of the file) will happily turn those into a list of files and save the list, rather than the wildcard. > Unfortunately, because of the all too common insistence of many .NET teams on being spoon-fed by Microsoft, a lot of projects stick with MSBuild for their entire end-to-end build process regardless, simply because they believe That Is How Microsoft Wants You To Do It. This, however, is totally and completely unfair. People stick with MSBuild because there's no other option that works with Visual Studio. Whatever solution one uses must, must, must work with Visual Studio, or it simply won't get off the ground. This is why psake and FAKE are so underloved: because to actually Do Your Job, you need MSBuild, and those don't help with that pain point. And that sucks. Maybe the kproj stuff will help. But while loads of issues with .NET come from that expectation of spoon-feeding from Microsoft, this really isn't one.

Posted by eropple on Mar 19, 2015, 3:19 PM

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>MSBuild was originally designed as a file format for Visual Studio solution and project files, generally intended to be managed by a GUI.

eroppleMar 19, 2015, 3:19 PM

>MSBuild was originally designed as a file format for Visual Studio solution and project files, generally intended to be managed by a GUI. This is its biggest failure. Like, if you use wildcards in a reference inside of MSBuild, Visual Studio (which just parses and loads MSBuild, not saving the semantics of the file) will happily turn those into a list of files and save the list, rather than the wildcard. > Unfortunately, because of the all too common insistence of many .NET teams on being spoon-fed by Microsoft, a lot of projects stick with MSBuild for their entire end-to-end build process regardless, simply because they believe That Is How Microsoft Wants You To Do It. This, however, is totally and completely unfair. People stick with MSBuild because there's no other option that works with Visual Studio. Whatever solution one uses must, must, must work with Visual Studio, or it simply won't get off the ground. This is why psake and FAKE are so underloved: because to actually Do Your Job, you need MSBuild, and those don't help with that pain point. And that sucks. Maybe the kproj stuff will help. But while loads of issues with .NET come from that expectation of spoon-feeding from Microsoft, this really isn't one.

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