I was doing a ton of agile, testing, and QA consulting in this era, and I feel like page objects worked well only in very narrow circumst...
I was doing a ton of agile, testing, and QA consulting in this era, and I feel like page objects worked well only in very narrow circumstances. Namely, QA departments where quality engineers were tasked with building very large and comprehensive automated UI tests (usually a bad idea) that exercised the same pages many, many times (also a bad idea, b/c extremely slow). But anyway if you were in that situation, duplication of selectors and labels and other implementation details of a page that were liable to change across a bunch of tests was an _absolute nightmare_ to deal with when you'd get a massive report of failures with bad error messages and often incorrect stack traces. Being able to fix all those errors by changing a selector in a single page object governing all of them was indeed better than the alternative. In the era of Cucumber, page objects were yet another level of indirection around what was a far-too-indirect process to provide the kind of feedback loop you'd need for it to be valuable. Especially as part of a development workflow.
Posted by searls on Sep 15, 2025, 12:27 PM
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To be fair, Inform7 can't succeed, generally, because there is no market for the kind of games that you create with Inform7.
New> The notion that somehow LR reliability is misunderstood by Consumer Reports, JD Power, Car & Driver, Automobile etc.
Custom trigger IDs are not displayed in the new 2026.10 trigger selector
I hate that too, but I think it’s more the ux than the concept of a default.
> The biggest problem with UX developers is they know better than you AND force you into their paradigm.
"Focus follows mouse" is what I use to keep the file manager from popping up when click-dragging files.
The biggest problem with this is if the target URL doesn't load but also doesn't quickly error out, like e.g.
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I was doing a ton of agile, testing, and QA consulting in this era, and I feel like page objects worked well only in very narrow circumst...
I was doing a ton of agile, testing, and QA consulting in this era, and I feel like page objects worked well only in very narrow circumstances. Namely, QA departments where quality engineers were tasked with building very large and comprehensive automated UI tests (usually a bad idea) that exercised the same pages many, many times (also a bad idea, b/c extremely slow). But anyway if you were in that situation, duplication of selectors and labels and other implementation details of a page that were liable to change across a bunch of tests was an _absolute nightmare_ to deal with when you'd get a massive report of failures with bad error messages and often incorrect stack traces. Being able to fix all those errors by changing a selector in a single page object governing all of them was indeed better than the alternative. In the era of Cucumber, page objects were yet another level of indirection around what was a far-too-indirect process to provide the kind of feedback loop you'd need for it to be valuable. Especially as part of a development workflow.
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