> Apple doesn't directly make money from your data, they just use it to improve their product Apple improves their products for several ...
> Apple doesn't directly make money from your data, they just use it to improve their product Apple improves their products for several reasons, but as a for-profit business the main reason they would use some of their limited capital to "improve their product" would be to make money . The details about how a business exploits user data is not that interesting. Arguments about this kind of minutia are a distraction and a waste of time. The problem is, as you say, the fact that they collect data at all . > That means gimped Siri As Dan Geer said regarding the inevitable software-industry complains about liability legislation "Yes, please! That was exactly the idea." Some people may wish to trade their future privacy for whatever clever trinket is being sold. I believe that is usually a bad trade, but they have the right to make that kind of choice. What is not being discussed is how the people that use Siri (and similar live-microphone-with-network-access products, including newer "smart TVs") are making that privacy decision not only for themselves, but they are also imposing their choice on everybody else the microphone can hear. In his recent (highly recommended) talk[1], Aral Balkan suggested a very interesting model, because there is another product that is well-known to adversely impact the people "near" the user as a secondary effect: tobacco. Siri, Amazon's Echo, and most of Google's services are like software "second-hand smoke". Like smoking, I don't care what you do in your own home. What we need - at a minimum - is new social conventions/etiquette where you ask permission or step outside before enabling any of these recording devices. [1] https://projectbullrun.org/surveillance/2015/video-2015.html...
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I left Gnome 3 for Mate early on and I never looked back, but here are the issues I remember.
Yay, I found my people… I switch between Android and iPhone every few cycles, and I really do miss my swipe keyboard on Android.
> LLMs to me are just another tool.
I used to be one of those people that would countdown the hours to Apple's launch events and tune in for the live stream.
> "Over the years it has been clear that we in the “open source” camp (as opposed to the “free software” camp) were wrong all along.
> So you trusted 22-year-old coffee junkies copying and pasting from stack overflow 10 years ago Absolutely yes...
I don't want to Godwin this thread so early, but you know what analogy I'm thinking of.
Some people don’t use AI and I don’t get it.
> Apple doesn't directly make money from your data, they just use it to improve their product Apple improves their products for several ...
> Apple doesn't directly make money from your data, they just use it to improve their product Apple improves their products for several reasons, but as a for-profit business the main reason they would use some of their limited capital to "improve their product" would be to make money . The details about how a business exploits user data is not that interesting. Arguments about this kind of minutia are a distraction and a waste of time. The problem is, as you say, the fact that they collect data at all . > That means gimped Siri As Dan Geer said regarding the inevitable software-industry complains about liability legislation "Yes, please! That was exactly the idea." Some people may wish to trade their future privacy for whatever clever trinket is being sold. I believe that is usually a bad trade, but they have the right to make that kind of choice. What is not being discussed is how the people that use Siri (and similar live-microphone-with-network-access products, including newer "smart TVs") are making that privacy decision not only for themselves, but they are also imposing their choice on everybody else the microphone can hear. In his recent (highly recommended) talk[1], Aral Balkan suggested a very interesting model, because there is another product that is well-known to adversely impact the people "near" the user as a secondary effect: tobacco. Siri, Amazon's Echo, and most of Google's services are like software "second-hand smoke". Like smoking, I don't care what you do in your own home. What we need - at a minimum - is new social conventions/etiquette where you ask permission or step outside before enabling any of these recording devices. [1] https://projectbullrun.org/surveillance/2015/video-2015.html...
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